Thomas Bushnell, BSG ([info]thomb) wrote,
@ 2005-05-04 10:43:00
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What would +Rowan do?
Suppose Peter Akinola comes to Rowan Williams tomorrow and says: “Tell the Episcopal Church that they are no longer in communion with you, or else we will say we are no longer in communion with Canterbury.” What would +Rowan do? We already know; he’d say, “Good bye, and godspeed; we’re sorry to see you go, Peter.” Suppose Robert Duncan comes to Rowan Williams tomorrow and says: “Tell the Episcopal Church that they are no longer in communion with you, but that you are in communion with this new organization Jack Iker and I have set up, or else we will say we are no longer in communion with Canterbury.” What would +Rowan do? We already know; he’d say, “Good bye, and godspeed; we’re sorry to see you go, Bob.”

What Peter Akinola wants, and what Duncan and Iker want, is for +Rowan to say “I am no longer in communion with the Episcopal Church, but I am in communion with Duncan and Iker and whatever organization they have formed.” It is this goal to which Akinola, Duncan, and Iker are all working towards. But simply making the ultimatum to +Rowan won’t get what they want, which is why they are proceeding as they do.

The strategy is to work on a two-pronged front. First, to attempt an international end-run around the office of the Archbishop of Canterbury, to tell him that his judgment is irrelevant and that it is not up to him to decide who is in communion with the See of Canterbury and who is not. Second, to create as much dissention within the Episcopal Church as possible, to refuse any attempts to settle issues within the Episcopal Church.

The international end-run is not working, because while +Rowan is willing to allow people to get themselves in a snit, there is no indication whatsoever that he countenances what they are doing. He seems manipulable and weak to people, but watching him and seeing how strong he is when he does speak, convinces me that he is simply waiting. So long as this or that international Anglican body, wrenched around by the schism-mongers, pretends to dictate this or that rule or policy or procedure, his silence is not consent, it is not any kind of agreement that the schism-mongers are in the right. Rather, he is simply willing to let them do what they want, without either being upset or angry, without ordering them around in return. I think his is a wonderful model of restraint and gentle firmness. I used to be distressed at what I took to be his weakness; now I see it is the strength of a man who will not fight needlessly, who knows that his ego is not bound up in this, and that he can stolidly and simply do what is right without being swept around by the storms around him. Put differently, he knows that it is not up to him whether there will be a schism. Duncan can make a schism, but Bruno and Shaw and Bennison cannot prevent it. +Rowan knows this, he knows that whether there is a schism is not a decision which is up to him, it is not a question he can control. It is up to Akinola and Duncan and Iker to decide if there will be a schism and when.

Eventually the schism-mongers will realize this, and several other things. They surely must already realize that they simply will never command a majority in the General Convention of the Episcopal Church. It will, someday, be necessary for Duncan to decide whether he wants to stay in the Episcopal Church. It is a certainty that the Episcopal Church isn’t going to swing to his way of thinking, so what does he want? I think he wants to leave, but he wants to leave with as many of the toys as he can get. The goal is to set up the leaving in such a way as to be able to take as much property and cash as he can, because if he simply left, and said “I’m joining this-or-that other church, or starting my own,” he wouldn’t be allowed to take any of the toys.

So my prognostication: The General Convention will say that Duncan and Iker can stay if they want, or leave if they want. The General Convention will reiterate and firm up the rule that if you leave you don’t get to ransack the store on the way out and steal the toys. The House of Bishops will make clear that violations of diocesan boundaries will earn trials. No rule will be passed prohibiting the ordination of gay bishops, no liturgy for same-sex blessings will be approved (though it will certainly be reiterated that such blessings are within the bounds of our common life, and it will probably be said further that there is no obstacle to performing them, which may change the policy of bishops like Ihloff).

After General Convention 2006, Akinola and his crowd will throw a holy fit. And the upshot will be two separate Anglican communions. One will include the Churches of England, Ireland, and Wales, the Episcopal Church, the Anglican Churches of Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, the Nippon Sei Ko Kai (Japan), the Episcopal Churches of Scotland, Mexico, and Brazil, the Church of the Province of Southern Africa (or whatever its new name is, they are apparently changing it). The other pseudo-Anglican communion will include the Anglican Church of Nigeria, the Church of the Southern Cone, and whatever other churches join them. There are some provinces that it’s tricky to predict where they will swing in the end.

In the United States, Canada, and Great Britain, a small minority will leave, take as many toys as they can get their hands on, form jurisdictions, and join up with the new “continuing Anglican communion,” in opposition to the actual See of Canterbury. They will claim, as continuing Anglicans always have, to be "continuing Anglicans" in some curious sense in which "continuing" means "in schism" and "Anglican" means "not connected to the Archbishop of Canterbury."

In other words, we know what +Rowan will do, and there is no reason to think anything other than the following. If there are to be two communions, and each province votes which it will be in, we can already line up pretty much every province (with a few uncertain cases) and see where it will be. And we know, with dead certainty, that the Church of England, the Episcopal Church, the Anglican Church of Canada, the Church of Wales, and the Episcopal Church of Scotland (and plenty others) will all be in the same group when push comes to shove.

Duncan and Iker are smart men, and they know as well as I do that this is the upshot when all the dust finally settles. This means that all their noise is not an attempt to achieve some other (essentially impossible) result, but rather an attempt to simply carry away as many toys as they can in the end. It is up to the rest of us, who don’t intend any leaving, to decide how many toys we are willing to let them steal.



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[info]dpolicar
2005-05-04 11:59 am UTC (link)
Out of idle curiosity -- is there a conventional understanding of how physical assets are allocated when your church schisms, on the basis of which the determination of theft vs. collection can be collectively made, or is the implication of theft a more personal one on your part?

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[info]thomb
2005-05-04 03:52 pm UTC (link)
The use of the word "theft" is a metaphorical one. Legally, in a connectional and hierarchical church such as ours, under the first amendment, the property stays with the church when someone leaves. But the law is always complicated and the details are always tricky.

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[info]dpolicar
2005-05-05 07:49 am UTC (link)
Sure; I didn't mean the legal issue so much as how it is looked at within the church itself.
Eg, if you break up with your live-in boyfriend you and he might agree that a certain distribution of assets is called for, or you might have conflict on the issue, without reference to the law; I was wondering if an analogous thing was true within your church with respect to schisms.

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[info]thomb
2005-05-05 06:28 pm UTC (link)
The rule is that all property is held in trust for the diocese and the national church. People can leave, but parishes (considered as legal entities) cannot.

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[info]crculver
2005-05-16 11:57 am UTC (link)
In some states court victories have permitted entire parishes to go.

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[info]melted_snowball
2005-05-04 03:16 pm UTC (link)
My understanding (from talking with a few Anglican friends here in Ontario, and from reading a moderate amount about this topic back when Gene Robinson was installed) was that the groups outside of the developed world that were likely to leave wanted to prolong this process, and keep as long as possible the large amount of financial support they receive from First World churches, as well. I wonder if this has much potential to prolong the agony your church is experiencing.

It was depressing to see this topic on the front page of whatever the Anglican newspaper is here in Canada, when we were singing in Christ's Church Cathedral last weekend.

[Do you use +Rowan to not have to keep typing "The Very Rev" or whatever his title is?]

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[info]thomb
2005-05-04 03:55 pm UTC (link)
I think the Episcopal Church will continue to send checks to whoever needs them, as much as we have the money to do so. We're sending checks right now to folks that have said they won't accept any money from us, and except for a few token gestures, all the checks are being cashed. Which is just fine by me; the money isn't being sent as part of some doctrinal program.

I am quite confident that if there is a schism, and the only Anglican church in Nigeria is Peter Akinola's, we'll still be offering him support.

Do you use +Rowan to not have to keep typing "The Very Rev" or whatever his title is?

It's customary for priests to sign a cross after their names and bishops to sign one before; it is a common habit when writing just the first name of a bishop. So it means "bishop". His title is the Most Rev and Rt Honorable Lord. Gotta love the English.

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[info]melted_snowball
2005-05-04 04:54 pm UTC (link)
Which is just fine by me; the money isn't being sent as part of some doctrinal program.

Yeah, that does make sense, and seems just.

We have bigger (and historically older) schisms in Quakerism, which are making the question of how we very liberal Friends ought support Friends in Africa, where in fact the vast majority of Friends live. [Though that's true of Anglicanism, as well, if I remember correctly...] It's making the current falling apart between very liberal Friends and moderate-to-conservative Friends more painful.

Somehow, calling Rowan Williams a Lord seems an odd merging of the temporal and the spiritual. Though, as you say, gotta love the English. Sometime in a year or so I'm going to have affirm fealty to Queen Betty...

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[info]thomb
2005-05-04 05:05 pm UTC (link)
There is indeed a merging of temporal and spiritual.

He is Most Reverend because he is an archbishop. (Anglican bishops are "Right Reverend"; deans are "Very Reverend"; and ordinary priests and deacons are "Reverend." Archdeacons are "Venerable".)

He is "Right Honorable" because he is (in virtue of his office) a member of the Privy Council.

He is "Lord" because (in virtue of his office) he is a Lord Spiritual of the House of Lords. Twenty-six bishops of the Church of England are members: the archbishops of Canterbury and York, the bishops of London, Durham, and Winchester, and the twenty-one next most senior diocesan bishops by date of consecration.

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[info]kashma
2005-05-04 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Do you know that in all the years I went to church, I never got that explained to me?

Thanks!

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-05 06:10 am UTC (link)
He is "Lord" because (in virtue of his office) he is a Lord Spiritual of the House of Lords.

No he isn't: he is a member of the House of Lords but he is not (in himself or even ex officio) a Lord. He is entitled to be addressed as 'My Lord Archbishop' but he is not a 'Peer of the Realm': his predecessor, George Carey, was given a peerage after his retirement so is now 'The Rt Hon the Lord Carey of (somewhere)'

Twenty-six bishops of the Church of England are members: the archbishops of Canterbury and York, the bishops of London, Durham, and Winchester, and the twenty-one next most senior diocesan bishops by date of consecration.

PS 'Gotta love the English'?? It's worth mentioning that +Rowan is not English - he's Welsh...

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[info]thomb
2005-05-05 06:30 pm UTC (link)
(Whoever you are...)

Thanks for the correction; the history of calling him "My Lord Archbishop" (or an ordinary diocesan "My Lord Bishop"), does this come from his sometime position as the feudal tenant of the "temporalities" of the see?

"Gotta love the English" was about the propensity for long titles, not about +Rowan personally.

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[info]cwingate
2005-05-05 06:54 am UTC (link)
Technically, when wearing his "+" he is Rowan Cantuar.

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[info]varsitynj
2005-05-09 08:15 pm UTC (link)
HonoUrable, innit? ;-)

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[info]glowroper
2005-05-09 09:54 am UTC (link)
This is great. I long ago lost patience with following this stuff. (Don't forget to copyright your work.)

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[info]thomb
2005-05-09 02:14 pm UTC (link)
No need to copyright it; it's copyrighted from the moment of creation and needs no formal notice. Thanks to the Berne Convention for making it easy!

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-09 05:14 pm UTC (link)
I know Bishop Duncan quite well and I do not believe that he is interested in "toys." I know him as a man of prayer and generosity ... a man grounded in Christian faith and the Gospel. He is soft-spoken, thoughtful, never unkind ... he cares passionately for the Church and for historic Anglicanism. I have never heard him speak a condemnatory word of another, in spite of his grave concerns over the drift of The Episcopal Church USA. It is difficult to read your words above, when so many of us are trying hard to soften the rhetoric and find a solution amicable to both sides. (I would be happy not to be anonymous but I am not a Live Journal user, yet). Thank you for the opportunity to comment on your article.

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[info]thomb
2005-05-09 05:37 pm UTC (link)
I have not seen his generosity extend to those with whom he disagrees. Perhaps it depends on who you are or what the context is. I do not believe that he wants a solution; I believe that he wants a schism. Perhaps I have missed it, but I have not seen any indications from him that he is prepared not to get everything he wants. Where has he shown a willingness to get less than everything going his way? I haven't seen it. I haven't seen words of conciliation from him. He hasn't participated at the Eucharist in the House of Bishops.

So maybe he is a man of "prayer and generosity" to some, but I can only judge by what I see.

(It is possible not to be anonymous by stating your name and email address.)

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[info]thomb
2005-05-09 05:42 pm UTC (link)
"He is...never unkind."

This is so wildly off the mark that I'm amazed. He has certainly been unkind to gay people in his diocese. He has been unkind to Bennison, his colleague. He has been unkind to Frank Griswold. Do we need a bigger list?

Maybe he's very gracious in person, but kindness is a little more than speaking softly and shaking hands.

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[info]varsitynj
2005-05-09 08:20 pm UTC (link)
Hiya... I'm on Louie Crew's local e-mail list which is the "unofficial" soapbox of our diocese and one of the few places where people on both sides of These Issues interact. I saw your post there and thought it was quite good.

I did not know if you were aware of the community [info]episcopal, of which I am the founder/moderator, and wished to extend a welcome to you, to check it out if you haven't done so. I might be at Grace: SFO in a few weeks when a friend and fellow member of that community is ordained a deacon.

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[info]thomb
2005-05-09 09:21 pm UTC (link)
Hello, nice to run in to you. I heard of the community, but I'm hesitant about adding LJ communities to my friends list for fear of the volume. But [info]episcopal doesn't look too bad, so I'll give it a try...

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[info]sackclothtojoy
2005-05-10 08:28 am UTC (link)
Thomas, I think you're right on with your observations about what +Rowan would (will) do. The only thing that has disappointed me about +Rowan was the Jeffrey John affair. The British evangelicals claimed that their objection to homosexuality in the Episcopacy was not "orientation" but "practice." Jeffrey John was and is celibate. Their protest against him gave their claim the lie. When +Rowan gave in to them, I was disappointed.

The fact that the AAC and their very tangled web of allies haven't already left the ECUSA underscores the fact that the only real currency in this world is power. The power they currently have is not something the Duncans and Ikers of the Episcopal Church want to surrender willingly. If their protest is truly one of the heart and conscience, and if they feel the ECUSA has fallen into apostasy and is truly beyond redemption, why would they stay?

A "conservative" Episcopalian/Anglican of my acquaintance insists on continuing to send me his ruminations. The latest one said, "'Enemy' seems to be a heavily loaded word these days. I know that every time that I indicate that heterodox Episcopalians are our enemy, I get a lot of flack. But, my brothers and sisters, we need to know who our enemy is, and we need to know our enemy, if we are going to make a stand for Jesus as Anglican Christians. At the same time, we are to love our enemies. We are to hope and pray for their edification, salvation, and sanctification, that they may join us in our love and hope for the faith revealed by God and received from the saints. Oh; and obedience too. We must all obey." (He only forgot to add that they must apparently patronize the "enemy" too.)

"Orthodoxy" begins in "heresy." (Yes, I know the flamethrowers will be trained in my direction for saying that. It will be interesting to see how many people damn me for that comment before thinking about it.) The Gamaliel principle (if something going on is of God, it will prosper, if not, it won't) will operate in our current situation. Our current "heresy" may become the new orthodoxy or it may not. But those who feel like my conservative friend run the risk of putting themselves in the place of Abraham and Sarah. Abraham and Sarah refused to take God's word that God would provide an heir. They got tired of waiting and decided to provide the heir themselves through Hagar.

Look what an awful mess they made.

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[info]thomb
2005-05-10 08:45 am UTC (link)
The only thing that has disappointed me about +Rowan was the Jeffrey John affair.

Yes, this is indeed the counterexample to the speculation I've engaged in. It may well be that he learned from this experience not to repeat it; it may as well be that he did not.

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[info]friarjohn
2005-05-10 06:59 pm UTC (link)
"Orthodoxy" begins in "heresy."

I would say that the definition of Orthodoxy begins with heresy. But I may be cuting the hair to fine.

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Strength of Weakness
[info]canonical70
2005-05-10 02:59 pm UTC (link)
Back in my student days - that's over 40 years ago - I remember what for me was an important book on this theme by the [Christian] psychiatrist Paul Tournier. It appealed to me then and I find it very helpful to think of the ABC in this light, for I have, in my frustration at what I have interpreted as his dithering, come very close to writing his primacy off. Elsewhere I have written about his fascination with the tailings of colonial Christianity and a preference for playing English politics at the expense of the Church. And I haven't enjoyed that, though it did seem that way to me. Your interesting take on +Rowan encourages me to keep the window open on this Primacy from which I and others expected so much. Perhaps we still should.

But the picture you paint of Duncan, Iker, Akinola and the Southern Cone head [couldn't resist that one]is less than satisfactory to me. Are we really to believe that they have gone to all this trouble - as 'true believers' or whatever - merely to "carry away as many toys as they can"? Their leadership abilities are undisputed. Power and prestige and purity [even within a restricted domain] might be a better explanation.

I do agree though, that the battle will swing over money, real estate and pensions. Toys. Those who know me, those who want the Anglican Communion to continue as the respectful and tolerant church that the Elizabethan Settlement envisaged are getting tired of hearing me say "protect the real estate". In these unusual but perilous times that comes right after prayer.

But I thank you for fresh insight to +Rowan and I do hope you are right. He deserves our prayers - it's never easy at the top.

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Re: Strength of Weakness
[info]localtint
2005-05-10 04:21 pm UTC (link)
Canonical, Thomb (and others on this thread):

As a less-than-devout Catholic nonetheless intrigued by the North/South divide in my own church, I appreciate your positions and your eloquence. My interest in this topic was first aroused by a 2002 article in the Atlantic Monthly ("The Next Christianity" by Philip Jenkins). To me the question is not only what happens to the "toys," but (a) wouldn't any "toys" made off with be a one-time windfall? Wouldn't the Global South (and those that break off to join it) need a the continuous cash infusion that only the rich "heretical" North could provide? Also, (b) What about the scholarship? Amid all the power, prestige, and purity, isn't continuing biblical study and criticism (along with attendant theological speculation) required for the people of any communion to thrive at their fullest human potential? And if so, is any of that activity coming from the South now? Or is scholarship and theological speculation just a luxury of the wealthy North?

Just some thought I've been having about the Catholic situation that I thought might apply here as well. If not, put me in my place.

Canonical: Could you explain what you mean by "the tailings of colonial Christianity?"

Having read (and been enlightened by) A Ray of Darkness and others of +Rowan's writings, I, too, was very encouraged when he came into is Primacy (is that a correct way of saying it?) and I hope the Anglican church enjoys the promise it expects.

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Re: Strength of Weakness
[info]canonical70
2005-05-10 07:41 pm UTC (link)
Yes, it would seem that any formal schism of [parts of] the Global South would continue to rely on assistance from the well-heeled North. That may be why Duncan etal are putting up such a determined fight and are legally disputing the ownership of the North American "toys". After all, they will need to have some resource to share that is reliably orthodox, conservative and scripturally literal. The scholarship would need to follow that line too. With some exceptions [South Africa and some {much maligned} individuals elsewhere] theological speculation does seem to be a luxury.

There is some indication that younger, better educated, upwardly mobile clergy in [for example] Uganda are irked that the unrelenting stand of their hierarchy is about to limit the access to career moves at home and abroad that they might legitimately have qualified for and won. But I suppose this is at least a generation away from bearing any fruit.

Ah yes. "The tailings of colonial Christianity". The image is of the rather messy leavings visible around the edge of a mine. A tailings pond and its attending sludge is often neglected by those who created it and consequently a very unhealthy place. I guess I wanted to imply that the one of the vehicles of English colonialism was first Anglican then other missionaries. They were often pious souls rejected on account of their simple literal faith, as unworthy of being considered for a living at home in the C of E. 150 years later, however, their simple views, now generally seen as extreme, are still alive and well [thriving indeed] in the neglected parts of the former colonial - now independent mine. But they're still part of the Communion.

Well, besides being primus inter pares of all 38 Primates of the Communion, and chair of the Lambeth Conference, Canterbury is also head of the church of ENGLAND, and performs a civic function. I submit that it matters very much to England that the ABC holds titular sway over 80 million people rather than just 8 or 10. That is part of +Rowan's unique dilemma, and I had thought him predisposed to that facet of his admittedly difficult role. But maybe not.



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[info]cwingate
2005-05-11 11:53 am UTC (link)
One of the things I see about Rowan Cantuar is that he has been rather a surprise all around. I would not presume to say what he would say in such a situation, because it seems very likely that in, say, 20 months the primates of the (rest of) the communion are going to say "OK, ECUSA, we gave you a chance, and you defied us. You're out." Will Cantuar defy this, or even act to prevent it? I don't know, but I suspect that, on the basis of what has happened thus far, he would not.

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[info]thomb
2005-05-11 01:11 pm UTC (link)
I do wish I could hear just where we defied anything. That is actually the missing piece here. What, exactly, did we defy, and when? (Note, for example, that neither Lambeth nor the Primates said "do not ordain homosexual bishops.")

All +Rowan has to do is say, "Well, the Church of England is still in communion with the Episcopal Church." In other words, they can say "you're out" (whoever "they" are), but out of what? And at what point does this mystically alter the independent decision in the General Synod in the Church of England?

If the Episcopal Church is to be out of communion with the Church of England, that can only actually happen by a vote in our General Convention or their General Synod.

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[info]cwingate
2005-05-12 07:05 am UTC (link)
I don't think he is going to say that. It seems to me that he's definitely leaving open the possibility that the result might be some degree of impairment of communion between his church and ours.

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[info]logodaedaly
2005-05-11 04:48 pm UTC (link)
Thomas, I'm ecstatic to find you have a blog! mA couple of years ago I had just joined the ELCA (from the LC-MS) and thought seriously about joining a spiritual community of some kind. I looked at BSG long and hard and read your site, but eventually moved on to the UCC. In any case, I will definitely add your blog to my list of regular reads, and thanks for the observations on ++Rowan and the seemingly unavoidable split in the Anglican Communion.

Chris
Progressive Protestant

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Re: What Would +Rowan Do?
(Anonymous)
2005-05-12 09:28 am UTC (link)
I wonder about the effect of the sheer numbers that the African/Southern Cone/Asian churches have going for them. It would certainly be a paradox (to say the least) for a church that's not in communion with Canterbury to claim to be "Anglican." But after a while, maybe that won't matter, and pure demographics may end up leaving the non-northern churches irrelevant and the southern churches vibrant. What do you think?

Jim
Dallas

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Re: What Would +Rowan Do?
[info]thomb
2005-05-12 09:42 am UTC (link)
So the question is if we have separate communions, will the possibly numerical superiority of one make the other "irrelevant."

Well, we have separate communions now, say, between the Roman Catholics and the Anglicans, and they have a numerical superiority far greater than the one you depict above. Has that made us "irrelevant"? Dunno. What is the value of "relevance" anyway?

The issue of "vibrancy" is different. I think we are plenty "vibrant". If you're worried that we won't carry the weight around the Anglican Communion any more, actually we will, b/c those other places, whatever they are, won't be Anglican. There are way more Presbyterians in this country than Anglicans, but I dare say we are more vibrant.

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Re: What Would +Rowan Do?
[info]thomb
2005-05-12 09:44 am UTC (link)
Also, the "northern" churches, in my picture, include Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, and South Africa. It's not right to characterize this split as a north/south split.

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Re: What Would +Rowan Do?
[info]canonical70
2005-05-12 10:17 am UTC (link)
Not sure about how episcopal Brasil came to be, but the others are like ecusa, Canada, Scotland and virtually the rest of the so-called north, non-missionary churches. Part of the current difficulty has to be linked with the importance of missionary effort. Is the objective to have everyone among the saved; the anglican and saved?

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Re: What Would +Rowan Do?
[info]localtint
2005-05-12 01:48 pm UTC (link)
I know what you're saying. I base my language on this issue on the Atlantic Monthly article I cited earlier, which does draw a North/South dichotomy. What language do you think best characterizes the split? Developed vs. non-developed nations?

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Re: What Would +Rowan Do?
[info]thomb
2005-05-12 06:17 pm UTC (link)
That's much better, but still not quite right. Brazil's Episcopal Church is fairly liberal (though there are weird exceptions). The Bishop of Rio came back from Lambeth 1998 in distress, wondering how he could explain this to the (non-sexually-hung-up) street people with whom he works. South Africa is much more socially liberal, both as a society, and as a church, in part because of its peculiar history, and the example of +Desmond, which has been carried on by his successor, Archbishop Njongonkulu.

One can certainly look for an explanation of why there is this split. Martin Smith (erstwhile SSJE) said that the main reason was the hopelessly inadequate theological education in poorer countries, where folks have barely been to the equivalent of bible college.

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Re: What Would +Rowan Do?
[info]localtint
2005-05-13 08:53 am UTC (link)
Yes, yes. I agree entirely (as to why there is a split). Hence my "what about the scholarship?" question earlier--something I consider critical for a full flowering and understanding of one's faith.

Will adequate education eventually come with an infusion of money? Will the "South" catch up academically in time? (As condescending as "catch up" sounds, I can't think of a better description.)


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Re: What Would +Rowan Do?
[info]thomb
2005-05-13 07:27 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, dunno. We have an active program for providing theological education in this country for people from other poorer Anglican provinces. Supposedly the idea is that they'll get their education, and then go back. But in practice, a fairly large number stay here. Which is, after all, a perfectly rational choice to make.

In order to get a top notch seminary going in central Africa, we need top notch seminary professors willing to move there. And, we need local people willing to support it.

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Re: What Would +Rowan Do?
(Anonymous)
2005-05-13 06:46 am UTC (link)
By the way, I'd meant to say, "leaving the 'northern' [not "non-northern"] churches irrelevant." But, as you say, that's probably not quite the accurate description in any event. -- Jim

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[info]thomb
2005-05-13 07:28 pm UTC (link)
Yep, "manipulable" is a real word. It might be less common on your side of the pond. :)

The OED says it's been around at least since 1881.

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What would, should, could +Rowan do?
[info]bud_e_jesus
2005-07-16 06:35 am UTC (link)
Aren't we confusing "strong leadership" with "smart politics." +Rowan's approach of silent waiting while both supporting and rebuking each side in the debate over same-sex blessings is a marvelous study in organizational politics. It is also Anglicanism at its best. However, just because both sides are being held at arms length through his political clout does not mean that +Rowan is offering strong leadership. Let me also be clear that strong leadership does mean "strong arming" anyone into a particular position or decision.
+Rowan finds himself at the helm of a very large ship with all the signs of an impending mutiny. In fact over the course of the last 30 years some of the crew members have already jumped ship (over the re-marriage of divorced persons and the ordination of women). What +Rowan has done is to bring the ship to a full stop and assess the resources. He's surveying the waters for new potential dangers and trying to find on a map where the heck we are? What he is not doing is moving to either side of the boat to get a look, perhaps out of fear that to tread to one side or the other would capsize the entire ship (why didn't he attend the meeting of "Border Bishops" from Ontario and North Eastern US that he'd been invited to long ago?). As of yet, I'm not convinced that he's consulted with person in the Crow's Nest to see if there's land ahead.
Meanwhile some of the crew are planning to take the lifeboats and go out on their own. As far as he's concerned that's better than a violent mutiny that injures others, but he also knows that will deplete his crew further and continuing the journey without lifeboats is a dangerous idea. The ship is already in tatters, and leaking terribly in several places (England, US, Canada). As this all plays out +Rowan, our captain, is frozen with his hands on the wheel studiously pondering what to do.
Strong leaders do take time to assess problems and respond to a crisis, but they also must always cast a vision for the future. Being at a standstill may be a safe position for now, but without some plan and direction for where we are going there is no leadership for the Anglican Communion.
My advice to +Rowan? Make a decision, say where you stand, let the boat be rocked and ransacked for a short while, and then let's get on with the journey. The Spirit of God doesn't wait for consensus.

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Re: What would, should, could +Rowan do?
(Anonymous)
2005-11-22 08:38 am UTC (link)
I have a question that I wish you would ponder and give comment. First, I think you are right on target, but now I would like to speculate on a bishop and diocese going with Akinola new pseudo-Anglican group. How does that work? What happens? Do all churches in the diocese have to go with them? Do some go, some stay? If that bishop leaves, surely the ECUSA would still want a diocese and therefore a new ECUSA bishop in that region. Could you just speculate on that?
Signed,
Worried....

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